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Re: What does Rob Bell and Mark Driscoll have in Common?

Paul Woolsey — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:22:15 -0000

We have a tendency to forget the context of these Pastor's particular cultures.

When complaints arise regarding Driscoll's fighting spirit and unapologetic, 'black and white' viewpoints, consider: he fights for Jesus because he HAS to. He's working out of the least churched city in America. Seattle is one of the most pluralistic, 'grey area' cultures, full of people who think they know God, but have no idea.

Now look at Rob Bell, in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and ask yourself if they're in the same type of fight. Bell contextualizes the Gospel for his congregation, and Driscoll does the same for his.

If they weren't offering their people a message that matters to them, where they are, capable of making real change in their life, THEN I'd be worried.

Re: How to fail school tests with dignity

Anonymous — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:28:12 -0000

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Re: What does Rob Bell and Mark Driscoll have in Common?

Daniel Korol — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:57:20 -0000

hi there Ty,
Thanks for your comment. I certainly believe Mark is defending what he believes to be the way, truth and life. If my view he does it quite lovingly, harsh and arrogant. He gives no room for any other views on any topic. And there are many views on many topics. We see this even amongst the writers of the bible. Peter writes for example how he finds some of the stuff Paul writes for difficult to understand.
Rob Bell has never said the Virgin birth never happened. He wrote this in his book "Velvet Elvis" but if you have read it you will see quite clearly that was not what he meant.
I call myself a christian and follower of Jesus. But i can guarantee that my view on many things in Christianity are very far from Mark Driscoll. His view on woman to name just one thing. (it would bring us back to the dark 1500s, thank God we have all moved on) Most of his views are very reformed. His focus is would be on the cross being the central thing in Jesus life. I would argue the incarnation(God becoming man, like the orthodox church) is just as important in understanding Jesus...but give me more of your thoughts...

/Daniel

Re: What does Rob Bell and Mark Driscoll have in Common?

Ty — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:39:46 -0000

I feel that Mark Driscoll is responding the same way a Christian should respond to Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons. JW's and Mormons have a very skewed view of doctrinal points concerning salvation, Jesus, etc... and this is why Mark defends. Mark isn't defending his personal ego he is defending Jesus Christ and the living Word. If we are to say that the virgin birth never happened, there is no hell or that Jesus wasn't God despite what the Bible teaches then should we not defend it? Or should we let it go and let everyone design a Jesus which makes them feel good regardless of how biblically unsound it is?

Re: What does Rob Bell and Mark Driscoll have in Common?

Jonny Velocity — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:27:18 -0000

You're right. Jesus is the leader of the Church

Re: What does Rob Bell and Mark Driscoll have in Common?

Jonny Velocity — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:26:04 -0000

YES!

Re: Are you a fundamentalist ?

Samotna Dziewczyna — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:19:54 -0000

Thanks for this interesting post!

Re: Shane Claiborne and the emerging church

Samotna Dziewczyna — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:16:01 -0000

O! very nice man!

Re: Shane Claiborne and the emerging church

Samotna Dziewczyna — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:15:36 -0000

O! Very nice man!

Re: What does Rob Bell and Mark Driscoll have in Common?

Daniel Korol — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:35:30 -0000

Hi Laura,

Thanks for your comment.
I totally agree with you on everything you say!

I have followed Bell closely and I have never heard him defend himself more than his "love wins" talk. The polarization that is created by Driscoll and other Calvin and reformed inspired theologians and pastors is at this moment in time not helpful to the way of Jesus whatsoever.

So what do we do with the division that does exist? Is it possible to build relationship and friendship? Should it be a goal?

Re: What does Rob Bell and Mark Driscoll have in Common?

Laura — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:19:40 -0000

The constand division and posturing I see in the Christian Church has always confused and frustrated me. We are called to be one in Christ but in 2000 years we have yet to get it right.

I listened to Rob Bell's defense of Mars Hill Grand Rapids on YouTube and was greatly impressed by his attitude. He was not concerned with tearing down those who accuse him of heresy. His response is simply "Love Wins." In this statement more than any other I have heard in this "emergent church conversation" I hear the voice of Jesus.

Re: The song of the bird

Daniel Korol — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:17:05 -0000

Jonathan, thanks for your comment!

The way people in the west and western inspired Christianity often describe God with scientific, modernistic characteristics. Systematic theology is also very scientific in its approach to God and the ways of God. In systematic theology there is a clear answer to everything. This little parable by Anthony De Mello challenges that approach. The words the language we use of God is maybe limited?Maybe it is flawed in trying to speak of God.

This is some of my thoughts on this parable.

What do you think?

Re: Footprints

Daniel Korol — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:57:30 -0000

hi Jonathan,

Thanks for your comment. Your question is an example of what a parable should do. It was the precis question the disciples asked Jesus many times; What are your trying to say Jesus?
A parable often takes a familiar story and adds a twist to it. This one I find engaging, disturbing, thoughtful and rich enough to inspire interesting and conflictual dialogue.

What do you think the parable is trying to say Jonathan? I will let you know how I interpret it after the weekend. I am currently on my way to Spain. But let me know what you think?

Re: The song of the bird

Jonathan — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:06:50 -0000

Are these words the words of the master or just Anthony's distortion of the truth? Is what the Master just said not understandable at all (because I understood it)?

Re: Footprints

Jonathan — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:59:27 -0000

What exactly is this parable trying to say?

Re: Shut up and sing

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Re: Bad peace, is always better than a good war

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Re: Vineyard

Daniel Korol — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:07:30 -0000

Thanks for the link Torbjörn. Very cool to hear that you invited Wimber here to Gothenburg too.

Peace and grace to you!

Re: Vineyard

Torbjörn Freij — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:00:56 -0000

Hello! It is nice for me as an half-norvegian to hear from my hometown Gothemburg about Vineyard. I am a member of the Stockholm Vineyard, but already 1983 I was one of the two baptist pastors (the other one was Paul Lilienberg in Tabernaklet, Gotehemburg) who invited this wonderful man, John Wimber, to Gothemburg. This was long before all these renewed lutherans came onboard, but that was the real beginning.
I just want to contribute with a link about Vineyard´s doctrinal foundation, which was loudly and publicly read by all the pastors in Vineyard Norden in the ordination of Vineyard Norden in Hamar late 90´s
http://www.vineyard.se/Abou...

Re: How to fail school tests with dignity

droctagonapus — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:59:41 -0000

this is so hilarius

Re: I deny the Resurrection

Mark — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:16:27 -0000

Wow ... God created the universe but lied about how He did it? Wake up man. You need to take some science courses. Learn about DNA, biology, logic, and physical laws. Evolution is a faith system ... a religion. Science clearly defends the Word of God and His first hand account of creation.

Either the Word of God is true, or it is a fabrication. You can't pick and choose what part of God's revelation you decide to believe. You might as well invent your own religion.

Every time you promote the atheistic religion of evolution - you crucify Him.

Re: What does Rob Bell and Mark Driscoll have in Common?

Jenn — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:04:17 -0000

As far as I'm concerned, Driscoll's lacking in theological soundness, decency, and humility. He has no business being an elder.

Re: Bad peace, is always better than a good war

Zashkaser — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:27:01 -0000

Nice post — this really hits home for me.

Re: What happened to Norway?

DanielKorol — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:51:58 -0000

Ja 30 prosent av det norske folk kan ta feil!

Re: What does Rob Bell and Mark Driscoll have in Common?

pastorandy — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:17:51 -0000

Instructions for the church would best be found in 1 and 2 Corinthians. In Titus I see:
A. Qualifications for leaders
B. Rebuke the vain talkers
C. Teach sound doctrine
D. Teachings of the Grace of God
E. Justified by God's Grace
F. Maintian Good works
I see verse 5 but there is much more to it if you look at the book as a whole. However, I do believe there are some great instructions for Leadership in Titus and I love the Elder concept.